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27 August 2010 @ 09:29 pm
Climate Camp  
I wrote a thing about Climate Camp here: http://oolong.co.uk/oo/climate-camp

I think I'll post more about it later. I need to articulate my thoughts about non-violence a lot more clearly...
 
 
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0olong: Jesus0olong on December 1st, 2010 10:38 pm (UTC)
Hey, another point occurs to me, reading some of the discussion of people's experiences of recent occupations and things - the Jazz Hands Bollocks is how the whole thing is organised. It absolutely serves a practical purpose; the question is not just 'do I like consensus decision-making' - it's 'do I prefer consensus decision-making to alternative ways of organising political actions'. Would you like Climate Camp better if it was run on hierarchical lines by Trotskyites, for instance?
FilthyMacNastymomentsmusicaux on December 2nd, 2010 08:41 am (UTC)
Yes, quite. And I don't like consensus decision making in this sort of thing. At climate camp they were all about 'how shall we decide how to protest', and I'm all like 'how the fuck should I know?'

I'm unconvinced by pure consensus decision making in most situations -- the car crash around the Forest web site being a fine example, in that people who didn't know what the fuck they were talking about took the day.
0olong0olong on December 2nd, 2010 10:41 am (UTC)
That certainly is a danger, yes.

The fact that so much of everything is organised on the fly at Climate Camp makes it much easier for people to go off on small actions, and to do things the police haven't meticulously planned for in advance. This may or may not be an advantage, depending on your perspective, but my suspicion is that it would never have got as much of a media spotlight as it did if not for those things. There is something to be said for relatively spontaneous direct action, given the apparent impotence of large-scale organised demonstrations of dissent, and for all the tedious faffing consensus decision-making can lead to, it's hard to see a hierarchical approach pulling it off this stuff.